kiels
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Post by kiels on Oct 25, 2010 10:01:58 GMT -5
bb4 are balanced??? so ... why no ones use H39 on a FL??? because they are weak and low gun power Why the majority of us play FL with L1 Aw??? because they are the beasts? perfect for rush the enemy..? BB5s are far more balanced than bb4s ... They all gets the same range .. inch up inch down ... more or less the same speed, gun power ... If your point is that H44 has very low gun power and crazy spread ... I think that L1 vs H39, is far more unbalanced that L2 vs H44 ... Yo can sunk a H39 just with two shots of your frontal L1 AW guns, and He will need at least 3-4 Ap salvos to put you in red ... But H44 can sunk L2 with 2 salvos ... and if you are lucky ( or really pro) you can one-shoot a L2 with a Monty salvo ... ( I has never done that with a H44 ... I an not a Km player) To be honest with you, I need recheck this, but, I think that a full salvo of a L1 make more damage that a full salvo of L2 And above of all that ... I am tired to put my fat lvl 120 sailors on the spot of a lvl 89 ship ... But ... and this is just one idea if you want to real balance the competition, and make it more complex in the strategics, may be the answer is not in the bbs cvs configurations .. may be are the SS ... a bunch of f*** ss3, ss4 can make the game really versatile It would be really nice to see all L1 AW with no bulge running away from a couple of ss3 ... Then the usual 4 L1 1 Iowa, 8 pensacolas 2 molke configuration will change for sure ... Allowing us to think in configurations with kitas and sonar ... for example ... Just thinking laud ... But... what we want? a real strategy game, or just a skilled base individual/team game (like Counter-Strike) ? There is not much strategy in the actual FL model ...
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Post by ijshorn on Oct 25, 2010 12:54:33 GMT -5
I H39
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Post by josephlittle on Oct 25, 2010 15:10:49 GMT -5
Well, I'll post my opinion for what it's worth as a ref and a Regalia member that has played and brainstormed with this ship setup many times.
IMO, BB4s are the best balanced BB tier between nations in the game right now(excluding Richelieu). Yes, it's not PERFECT and some people/fleets will use more of a certain ship then others simply due to:
1. GB mindset 2. Playstyle
The nicest thing about BB4s, is that each of them can fulfill a different role in battle and has different strengths and weaknesses, which in turn allows more diversified strategies between teams and there's much potential for teamwork. For example, L1 is the linebreaker/spearhead, Yammy is attrition/line holder, H39 is pusher, Iowa is jack of all trades etc.
In the end, honestly, there is a consensus that individually they all even out and H39 and Yammy are much much more useful then most people here are arguing they are, they just need to be used right(and why not, skillfully). And AW L1s have many more weaknesses then most people think.
I don't think BB5s would work/would be fun with this situation because:
1. They are individually and tactically much more imbalanced then BB4s. 2. It would make PCAs MUCH less effective. BB5s have virtually unlimited ammo to waste on them and a whole lot more firepower when compared to BB5s. 3. It's a much more static battle. 4 out of 5 BB5s(I think Alsace too) can penetrate any kind of armor at max angle, deal huge blows in 1 salvo and their range differences is incredibly small. All that adds up in discouraging rushes and/or pushes and pressuring.
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Post by angus725 on Oct 25, 2010 17:30:17 GMT -5
The nicest thing about BB4s, is that each of them can fulfill a different role in battle and has different strengths and weaknesses, which in turn allows more diversified strategies between teams and there's much potential for teamwork. For example, L1 is the linebreaker/spearhead, Yammy is attrition/line holder, H39 is pusher, Iowa is jack of all trades etc. +1 , Vets almost always have a H39 and Yamato in their FL games.
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Post by nfcs2007 on Oct 25, 2010 19:18:16 GMT -5
oK stop the argument , we use the GOD DAM FF 01 for FL all 20 ship use FF01 . that is the most balance right ? And no SS34-5 < in future THey are too over power , SS3 n 4 can nuke a BB4n5 in 1 - 2 shot , 3-4 if have tons of bulge and belt , i had consider this all the way back to beginning of season 4 but when i see them on GB i think meh,
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Post by sidewinder on Oct 26, 2010 16:35:32 GMT -5
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Post by sidewinder on Oct 27, 2010 1:13:56 GMT -5
You are going to try and change the Fleet event ships off of the same people that go on the forums all of the time, the BB4's and CV4's are fine, no need for changing the ship classes
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Post by devildog8 on Oct 27, 2010 15:39:50 GMT -5
I see no real reason for it to change, been BB4s CV4s for a while and works good
just my 2 cents
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Post by tinguy on Oct 30, 2010 23:22:12 GMT -5
ive been playing this game for a long enough time to have seen all the ups and downs we are all complaining/whining about with BB balance, (and i say that as a S.O.N.S member) yet the only thing i see so far is the "maybe its time for a change argument" and no real reason to change the format other than "because we should or hey its time to" thats crap, im not an advocate of the "dont fix it if it aint broke" argument but seriously, this is the best reason we can all come up with to make a change to BB5.. why not incorporate BB6 while were at it, most all fleets that partake in FL have em.. hell, limit em to 2 per team and make the rest of the BBs BB5 or under (IMO) both arguments are crap, BB4 use because they are balanced promote skill and team play and if im not wrong about this, thats what FL is all about right? team play! not every man for himself, independant skill crap... keep it the way it is with teh BB4 CV4 or under as thats what ultimately promotes skill, the differences between the ship types, their strengths and weakness's and trying to capitalize on em as a player. IMO BB4 means strategy, skill, team work... BB5 means brute force and who ever hits first wins, this isnt a back alley fight but a damn competition between fleets to see who really is better skill wise not ship wise! Im not gonna start a flame war or re-ignite one either but quite simply i vote to keep the ship sets the way it is... if anything it keeps the spirit of the competitiveness of what FL was originally
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Post by ryuuka on Nov 8, 2010 16:02:25 GMT -5
Games such as Chess and Go have lasted for over a millenia with minimum game balance changes. In fact, I'm not sure if Chess has been changed at all. I'm curious as to why people still play those "boring" games.
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Post by hyz980517 on Nov 13, 2010 14:48:51 GMT -5
it's rather easy to predict which bb/cv will be mostly used if we changed the rules to bb5/cv5. for bbs, L2, SY. for cvs: shinano.
yes, yes, i know that the skills of players make the difference. however, FL is a far more organized game where a player meets all the top players from the server, at this point where the skills r about the same then the ship start to make the difference.
let me point out few points of unbalanced feature here: 1, Alsace: shortest range in all bb5s and least amount of ammo can hold, we might see 1 or 2 guy driving this ship for the whole FL for few games only.
2, H44: i myself is a KM player, and i will tell u H44 will be the 2nd least used ship in FL. while all other nation buffed over all fire power, range and dmg per shell from bb4 to bb5, KM is the only nation which buffed range only, and other two remained.
so these 2 bb5s will be rarely seen in FL battles, even some will be appear in the 1st few games, but they will be disappear later on unless that fleet is short on numbers of other bb5s.
the other 3 bb5s will be more common in battle, but we can still predict that L2 will be most common, followed by SY then Monty.
BB4s on the other hand is way more balanced, lots of choices to set up the bb combinations. in last NF world cup, L1 and iowa r the most commonly used ships, but we can still see many yamato, H39 and vanny in final, semi-final and 1/4. this more or less proved that every bb4 is useself at some point, unlike the alsace and h44, useless at all points.(i know u wanna argue about this, this is just an exaggeration, u know what am i saying)
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Post by masc24 on Nov 15, 2010 21:29:15 GMT -5
I believe the Armada Fleet War on AZ proved just how boring a FL would be with BB5s. It was basically a stalemate. Using BB5s would actually shrink the possibilities (who will use H44 really?) and strategies employed, BB5s are capable of crippling if not one shotting their counterparts making players be much more defensive which, again, was proven by said above event.
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Post by geobotoran on Nov 22, 2010 4:57:20 GMT -5
My 2 cents worth: ADD 2 TIER 5 SHIPS TO REPLACE 2 TIER 4s using just T5 means only L2 and SY...no more diversity and using CV5s...means planes being launched for 15 min str8 before running out...roughly...i mean u get the point if we add just 1 BB5 everyone will just get an H44 and outrange everyone (imo better than an AW L2 in FL because of range advantage) but with 2 BB5s you have a lot of tactical combinations and we don't turn this into a 'sink the big ship to change the tide' match. As regarding to CV5s...not sure it's a good thing because the bigger loading capacity means u don't have to use fighters more sparingly or manage them as much because u can just replace them (a shinano 4 example packs a lot of planes and will very rarely run out)...any more than 2 T5 capitals per side will make the rest of the ships obsolete and leave them to just being food... so i would be for the introduction of 2 BB5s in place of 2 BB4s
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